so I was having this conversation earlier

and i’m going to open it up here too because i genuinely may just be looking at different types of media

so. are the representations of gay men that we see in popular media depicting femme gayness? and by this i mean stereotypical understandings of femininity portrayed by gay men. i’m thinking of shit that people (and here people i mean a lot of self-haters, a lot of masc folks, and even some self-proclaimed femmes) call swishy or faggy.

is that still the typical representation of male gayness on like TV and in film and stuff?

because i don’t feel like it is. i feel like, for whatever reason (and that’s a separate conversation), the typical gay male now is far more masculine, far more conservatively dressed, and far more reserved than previous representations.

So come on, let’s get real. In Living Color went off the air a while ago (and I do not here mean to divorce in living color from its (racialized-gendered) context). Then we had queer as folk. Now we’ve got fucking modern family.

so…sincerely though. i’m wondering at what point has one stereotype been replaced with another one? also to what extent are (hegemonically, white) masculine representations of gayness overshadowing the real issues of femmephobia that STILL EXIST. CHANGING THE STEREOTYPE DIDNT ERASE FEMMEPHOBIA. IN FACT IT MAY HAVE MADE IT WORSE.

anyone wanna weigh in on this? feel free to reblog. don’t change my shit though.

because SINCERELY i want to know if there are media representations of gayness that i’m not seeing that really do continue to only show effeminate gay characters. there has to be a reason we’re seeing a giant influx of “straight acting” or homonormative or hegemonically masculine fags out here. also they’d probably want to fight (or fuck) me for calling them fags.

so legitimate question time

again with queer visibility

what do we call it when women-identified folks “pass” as male and receive privilege?

is that butch privilege?

do we still call it butch privilege when they may not identify as butch, but still as women or any gender besides male (or a lack of gender)

what about men-identified folks are read as too feminine, or failing masculinity?

is that femmephobia?

if it is, do we still call it that if the person doesn’t ID as femme?

what about if they don’t ID as men at all but are still read as feminine or as women?

basically i want to know what we call it when people who aren’t men get something that looks like male privilege (though I fully acknowledge that it isn’t male privilege because they aren’t male and it also may look a lot different)

and what we call it when people who aren’t women experience something that looks like sexism though again I fully acknowledge that isn’t sexism because the person isn’t female and it may look a different

for trans women, there’s obviously RAMPANT, PERVASIVE transmisogyny, but I’m talking about maybe even cis males who experience something that looks like sexism?